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Will be very interesting to see how this all pans out within the next month for so. Anyone nervous?

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Very much so, yes.

It had better damn well get shot down. <_<

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Very much so, yes.

It had better damn well get shot down. <_<


I agree. I hope everything turns out okay. :(

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It won't change much if it passes in terms of combating piracy. Servers will move ofsshore and host to US with secure links. It is done now by people with shitty wanker ISPs. A friend of mine here in Australia does it. However, the other repercussions of the bill passing are scary. Hope we do not follow suit. Though being a Swiss national, I could just head to the alps where piracy is legal!

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I really don't know much about this. Could someone give me a run-down?
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It won't change much if it passes in terms of combating piracy. Servers will move ofsshore and host to US with secure links. It is done now by people with shitty wanker ISPs. A friend of mine here in Australia does it. However, the other repercussions of the bill passing are scary. Hope we do not follow suit. Though being a Swiss national, I could just head to the alps where piracy is legal!

This law would make that completely obsolete and it's actually a big reason they're trying to pass it. If/when it passes the US will be able by their own law to takedown any site regardless of location and do whatever with the people responsible for said site regardless of their location.


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SOPA, PIPA (and, similarly, game DRM) are incredibly poor at deterring piracy. The people supporting them just don't seem to get that, though.

I wish more people followed the Gabe Newell philosophy.

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This law would make that completely obsolete and it's actually a big reason they're trying to pass it. If/when it passes the US will be able by their own law to takedown any site regardless of location and do whatever with the people responsible for said site regardless of their location.



I do not think so... SOPA is a U.S law, they cannot take down a site hosted within and by another country, assuming the domain etc is all within that country/ owned by and registered not U.S. They can block the site like China blocks everything. Even if what you say is true, all the owners of servers and domains in other countries will be like "Fuck you" and ignore U.S law. After the Swiss government recently declared piracy will remain legal, they won't let another counties law control their internet, then do what they want with the people responsible!!! Abusrd! I host pirated things, using my PC at home as the server to my mates here in Australia. The U.S Gov. can do shit all to stop me. If a copy right holder contacts my ISP, they may send a cease and desist letter. But that is the extent and not by the US Gov.

If SOPA has been written to stop non U.S, it is as ridiculous as North Korea making law saying the U.S army is now under their jurisdiction. However since a large number of sites, servers, domains, etc are U.S it will pose a problem. But as i said, smart people will just move offshore. Im worse case scenario the U.S internet becomes like China's internet. Still, the rest of the world keeps on pirating. Short term can effect world long term effects only U.S. Those short term effects do suck, and everything sucks if you are in the U.S!

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I dont think this will get passed. Too many people download to keep it enforced. They are trying to regulate the internet and thats near enough impossible... i think :/

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I do not think so... SOPA is a U.S law, they cannot take down a site hosted within and by another country, assuming the domain etc is all within that country/ owned by and registered not U.S. They can block the site like China blocks everything. Even if what you say is true, all the owners of servers and domains in other countries will be like "Fuck you" and ignore U.S law. After the Swiss government recently declared piracy will remain legal, they won't let another counties law control their internet, then do what they want with the people responsible!!! Abusrd! I host pirated things, using my PC at home as the server to my mates here in Australia. The U.S Gov. can do shit all to stop me. If a copy right holder contacts my ISP, they may send a cease and desist letter. But that is the extent and not by the US Gov.

If SOPA has been written to stop non U.S, it is as ridiculous as North Korea making law saying the U.S army is now under their jurisdiction. However since a large number of sites, servers, domains, etc are U.S it will pose a problem. But as i said, smart people will just move offshore. Im worse case scenario the U.S internet becomes like China's internet. Still, the rest of the world keeps on pirating. Short term can effect world long term effects only U.S. Those short term effects do suck, and everything sucks if you are in the U.S!

U.S. law or not, the whole reason for this law in the first place is to give them the 'ok' to take control and police the internet world-wide whether it's right for them to do so or not. The U.S. unfortunately believes it has the power to dictate how the internet should be ran and wants to force their laws onto other countries.

The U.S. has also already been extraditing people from across to globe to take them to court on U.S. soil for copyright. They'll use this law to back their actions on a more global and massive scale. Without the new law the U.S. can still sue for copyright theft of pirates in other countries but it relied on that country allowing the U.S. to do so, but SOPA pretty much means they'll do it with or without the support of the other countries.

Sadly I've already seen domains taken by the U.S. despite not being hosted or registered in the U.S. I also recently heard they were extraditing a few people from Australia and the U.K. lately as well (though both of those countries have usually abided by U.S. copyright laws.


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U.S. law or not, the whole reason for this law in the first place is to give them the 'ok' to take control and police the internet world-wide whether it's right for them to do so or not. The U.S. unfortunately believes it has the power to dictate how the internet should be ran and wants to force their laws onto other countries.

The U.S. has also already been extraditing people from across to globe to take them to court on U.S. soil for copyright. They'll use this law to back their actions on a more global and massive scale. Without the new law the U.S. can still sue for copyright theft of pirates in other countries but it relied on that country allowing the U.S. to do so, but SOPA pretty much means they'll do it with or without the support of the other countries.

Sadly I've already seen domains taken by the U.S. despite not being hosted or registered in the U.S. I also recently heard they were extraditing a few people from Australia and the U.K. lately as well (though both of those countries have usually abided by U.S. copyright laws.


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I would like to see them try and an extradition for piracy of movies and shows! Of a non-US citizen.

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I would like to see them try and an extradition for piracy of movies and shows! Of a non-US citizen.

Erm they've already been doing this for years. If you watch the very video posted in this topic in the first post it speaks of extraditing a U.K. citizen for example, but there has been a lot more than that from all kinds of various countries including Australia.


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Yeah, U.S.A vs Griffiths, it pissed of a lot of people. But he was not a person downloading pirated stuff, he was the ringleader of a group of software pirates. I suppose i was not making myself clear, I meant the downloading of pirated data. I doubt The Aus.Gov. would give someone over to the U.S for something so minor. If they did, the Gov would be voted out next election.

I still find it hard to believe that the SOPA will void State sovereignty. It is possible, and worst case scenario where U.S Gov and Motion Pictures etc control the internet then Cuba, Venezuela etc will be the host of the new internet. Or there will be just a huge rise in Darknets.

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