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I have got 2 dvd box sets of anime which I would like to encode to hi10p with order chapters for the intro and endings, dual audio & subtitles. I have never encoded something before and would like to know how to do it, what programs I should use and any good settings to use for anime encodes in the programs.

If my project turns out any good I may put it into the download section.
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ok lets start by saying DVD's are a good bit harder than BD's and ordered chapters is not for a noobie. that alone will take me 1000 characters or more to properly explain how to split the video up and get those bad boys working properly.

the second thing is i need to ask you, do you really want to learning the technicals or do you want a simple program to do the work?

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ok lets start by saying DVD's are a good bit harder than BD's and ordered chapters is not for a noobie. that alone will take me 1000 characters or more to properly explain how to split the video up and get those bad boys working properly.

the second thing is i need to ask you, do you really want to learning the technicals or do you want a simple program to do the work?


I want it to be the best quantity possible, so if the simple program can do the same quantity as the technical way, then I will use the simple program as long as it can do hi10p, order chapters, dual audio & subtitles.

The anime I plan to do is the original dragon ball not the remastered dragon ball that funimation did and messed it up. I read somewhere that older anime's need less encodeing skill but I dont know if this is true or not.

It also depends how technical we are talking about, are we talking about c++ programming hard or just a lot of patience/time hard.
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Or download someone else's work!

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well then let me first say that the is no 1 magic program that does everything. for DVD's i would use up to 5-6 different programs. starting off with eac3to.exe for demuxing the original DVD into workable parts. i would then use SubtitleEdit to OCR the Subtitles, this is the longest and hardest step. i would then use eagisub to style those OCR subs into fancy advanced substation alpha subtitle, or .ass format. for the video encoding i would go with MeGui as it should be able to do everything you will need for the video. and since it is an OLD DVD i would also assume that it is an interlaced source requiring filtering. in which case i would recommend looking HERE and HERE for filter information. as for ordered chapters it will take me a while to re-type all that again, as i lost it on the old site. there is also another problem with DVD's that might complicate things but we will go over that when we get there. in other words expect this to take a week or 2 before it looks like you are getting anywhere.

i hope all that didnt scare you off...

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You should start off learning how to make "okay" encodes before trying to delve into how to make the "best" encodes. There is no magic wand, and making the best encodes comes from years of research, practice, and patience.

First, buy/pirate a copy of AnyDVD HD which will seamlessly remove any copy protection on DVDs and Blu-rays.

Then download Handbrake and start off using it to encode with. If you're okay with VOB subtitles Handbrake can include them easily. Hi-end encoders dislike Handbrake because it lacks higher-end features such as filters, which are necessary to clean up poor source material. But it works plenty fine for decent source material, and is much easier to learn and use. Just use the High Profile preset then start from there.

Most importantly, do LOTS of research on the web! There is a TON of information out there for people serious about encoding. Simply asking others for some quick, magic, easy solution won't happen, and will only make people NOT want to help you as you obviously have no clue as to what you are doing and are lazy.

You need to understand basic things, such as 1280x544 and 960x720 are 720p, and 720x480 isn't. You need to understand WHY this is, and things like 1280x544 is a 2.35:1 ratio, a common widescreen ratio. Understand things such as 720x480 is an NTSC DVD anamorphic resolution with a DAR (display aspect ratio) of either 4:3 @ 640x480 or 720x540, or 16:9 @ 852x480 (852 = closest mod4 value to 853.3). Then there's the PAL resolutions to deal with for European sources!

You need to know when and where to use what audio formats, and why. Lossy formats such as AAC, AC3 (Dolby Digital), and DTS, lossless formats such as FLAC, DTS-HD MA, and Dolby TrueHD. You need to know that converting lossy formats to lossess is WRONG!

And don't just use Hi10P because "it's the latest fad". DVDs and Blu-rays cannot store 10-bit video natively, so creating 10-bit rips without using filters to take advantage of the greater color spectrum is pointless. Too many people only see it as some sort of space-saving technique, but that is only a side-effect of (properly encoded) 10-bit video.

8-bit video must dither colors to create smooth looking gradients, and just like film grain, dithering is very hard to compress. With 10-bit video smooth gradients can be created without the need to dither, hence the smaller file sizes. Keep in mind that most peoples' systems convert 10-bit video to dithered 8-bit real-time because their setups/hardware can't handle 10-bit video natively.

Downloaders that care about the quality of their stuff only download from known encoders who have proven that they've taken the time to learn their stuff, and know what they are doing. There are some really scary rips out there from wannabes who have absolutely no idea what they're doing! Don't add to the pile unless you are serious about learning the PROPER way to do things, and are willing to take the time to learn it.

If you are serious, then do some research, and take your time. Learn to look yourself before asking. Encoding can be very enjoyable for those truly interested. But those looking for a magic wand solution should find another hobby.

Good luck!
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If Cman21 didn't, FoxesDen did ;)

Long story short, there are no shortcuts without fully understanding the material.

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lol, other than the fact I use Nero Recode to rip each episode from the DVD vob's, creating new vobs then using dgindex for ripping the mpeg2 video and eac3to for ripping the audio, I basically do the rest the same as Cman21. This gives me the ability to use batch scripts for the ripping (once each episode is ripped using Nero) and them once I get my avs scripts tuned for the show the way I like, then I can use scripts to batch encode.

Also, unless poor quality youtube audio is your audio viagra, don't re-encode the ac3 audio into vorbis (ogg), wma, mp4 (aac) or mp3.

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lol, other than the fact I use Nero Recode to rip each episode from the DVD vob's, creating new vobs then using dgindex for ripping the mpeg2 video and eac3to for ripping the audio, I basically do the rest the same as Cman21. This gives me the ability to use batch scripts for the ripping (once each episode is ripped using Nero) and them once I get my avs scripts tuned for the show the way I like, then I can use scripts to batch encode


Wow, that's a really roundabout way of doing things, haha. ;)

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hmm I thought I could help out but it looks like everything is covered

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Thanks for the help :) I am going to wait intill I have more time to spend on encoding.

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In the past I have used handbrake but it could not do what I wanted to do with it, so I stoped using it. I did not say I used it beacuse I don't class using handbrake as encoding, as anyone can do it and it's simple to use

When I wrote my original post it was 2am in the morning and I typed it out quick before I went to bed, so it may of come off as I was being lazy and have no clue as to what I am doing, but when I typed it out I only spent 30 seconds on it. There is not tons of information out on encoding and the guides I did look at were not very good and did not say how to do ordered chapters and the more complex stuff. Thats why I came here because I did not suspect to get some dickhead to basically say fucking use google :realmad: .

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Thanks for the input :)
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You really should put off Ordered Chapters and Hi10P encoding until you've got the basics down. Figure out how your source looks, determine which filters you should use (if any), etc.

Then you can do all the fancy stuff.

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also if you like i can give you my X-fire user name if you want to hit me up on instant messaging for quicker responses and faster results ;) just shoot me a PM and i'll get it to ya.

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also if you like i can give you my X-fire user name if you want to hit me up on instant messaging for quicker responses and faster results ;) just shoot me a PM and i'll get it to ya.


You're such a masochist sometimes, you know that? :P

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There is not tons of information out on encoding and the guides I did look at were not very good and did not say how to do ordered chapters and the more complex stuff.


I'm not sure about features popular with the anime community such as ordered chapters, but these two sites contain a ton of information about encoding:
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Thats why I came here because I did not suspect to get some dickhead to basically say fucking use google :realmad: .


I'm sorry you took my post that way. I was trying to be honest and realistic about the issues, not offensive. I gave some starter advice, made aware some points to be familiar with, and explained a couple of things.

You basically came on and said that you know nothing, and now want to make the highest quailty encodes, using the lastest and most advanced features, and want it to be easy. There had to a bit of realism in any honest reply.

Anyway, my intention was not to offend, or else I wouldn't have taken the time to be so detailed in my reply.
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You're such a masochist sometimes, you know that? :P


:offtopic: BUT.....




wow... you are one sick perverted non human being i know :P

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Wow, that's a really roundabout way of doing things, haha. ;)


Lol, with the exeption of using Nero Recode to cut the episodes (always easier when each episode has it's own vob but that's pretty rare), most of what I run is just tweaking the scripts (series name for destination, video resolution, weither AC3 5.1 or AC3 2.0, avs filters) that create new scripts to do the final rippng / encoding / final muxing.

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oh i forgot about each Ep on DVD's rarely have their own files... that is very annoying to work around.

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Well, I just did my first encode in a while. After a couple of days messing around with stuff, I just ended up using MakeMKV(Extract episodes from disk), followed by RipBot264(Encode the video track using FFDShow to deinterlace and sharpen/whatever else you might want) followed by MKVMerge GUI(re-add audio, subtitles and chapters). All worked out pretty well I think, not quite up to the fancy scripts and the suchlike of some of the guys on here, but it gets the job done with a nice output.

Now, if only I had somewhere to upload it too... -_-

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You might want to do some screencompares against other releases to see how you fared, mega, and we can also help point out any potential problems with your encode (interlacing, dotcrawl, blocking, haloing, etc).

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