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What are MiniMKVs?


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Im talking about the section under downloads. What are they? Just someones release re encoded too a REALLY small size? Obviously there has to be a lot of quality loss. Can someone explain to me how these work?

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Basically encodes that are small in file size and have lower quality it that simply. More for people with slower connections to make it easier for them to download. I sometimes download them if I'm not sure of an anime as well just to try it quickly.
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Pretty much what you say, people just grab encodes of full rips and re-encode it into a smaller video file. They usually do lose a bit of quality due to the fact you are starving the bitrate of the video file and audio file. Though miniMKV does serve its purpose by allowing people with limited monthly internet bandwidth to download and still be able to watch anime. I don't mind them myself but some people utterly hate it, I mean I can understand why people hate it since everyone who downloads from miniMKV says it's better than original source which is kinda funny. I used to get miniMKV for my friends due to the fact their little laptop and prebuilt computers only have limited storage. Anyways here is a comparison I did a long time ago of miniHD vs full encode.

http://screenshotcom...omparison/92996

I must add that Skylord said personally himself that he encodes miniHD better now days and it's an old comparison. If you want to see for yourself grab the original encode and minimkv and compare.

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MiniMKV's are bitrate starved encodes where both the audio and video suffer greatly to reduce size. The only use they have is for half blind and half deaf users who can't tell the difference, or for those with very tiny bandwidth caps that want to be sure not to hit their cap.

If you're neither, than miniMKV's will be like eye and ear cancer.

Typically they don't even get encoded from the source. miniMKV encoders usually steal other peoples hard work, ruin it, and replace the original encoders name with theirs. Despite all the work the original encoder had done (including the hours on end fixing up subtitles etc.. all credit to the original is lost).


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miniMKV encoders usually steal other peoples hard work, ruin it, and replace the original encoders name with theirs. Despite all the work the original encoder had done (including the hours on end fixing up subtitles etc.. all credit to the original is lost).

That sounds a bit silly to me.
It's not like the original encoders are giving any credit to the companies supplying the blurays either. <_<
Releasing something on the internet with your name on it doesn't give you any copyright whatsoever. It'd be stupid anyway, since absolutely nothing of your release is originally yours. So don't go hating people over copying and changing something which was already copied and changed once before anyway.

Seeing as there is an obvious demand for miniMKVs I can only cheer for those that please those that need them. I prefer a more quality release myself, but with the huge filesizes of the releases some fansubbers seem to put out lately I can understand the need for these smaller re-encodes.

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that is a little harsh koby but everyone is right about there being a loss in quality. but "IF DONE RIGHT" the loss in over quality for the size gives reasonable quality video and audio for those who have small/limited storage on their computer or have limited bandwidth. i personally use minimkv when i am going on a road trip and i want to make sure i have enough on my 4GB flash drive so i can watch it on any laptop.

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That sounds a bit silly to me.
It's not like the original encoders are giving any credit to the companies supplying the blurays either. <_<
Releasing something on the internet with your name on it doesn't give you any copyright whatsoever. It'd be stupid anyway, since absolutely nothing of your release is originally yours. So don't go hating people over copying and changing something which was already copied and changed once before anyway.

I think you misread my post because I was neither bitching nor whining. In fact, most original encoders (at least those I associate with on my IRC channel and the other communities of encoders) are GLAD those terrible quality encodes don't have their name on them as to ruin the reputation of their group or encodes.

@Cman, I'm curious as to what part of the truth of my words you found harsh?


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the phrases "bitrate starved", "audio and video suffer greatly", "half blind and half deaf users who can't tell the difference", and "eye and ear cancer" are all quite harsh. saying "low bitrate", "audio and video suffer", "users that can not tell the difference", and the last one doesnt even really need to be said. as the people who avoid mini encodes do so solely due to the lowered quality. (see what i did there? lowered not disgusting or horrific as those are your opinions on the quality)

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the phrases "bitrate starved", "audio and video suffer greatly", "half blind and half deaf users who can't tell the difference", and "eye and ear cancer" are all quite harsh. saying "low bitrate", "audio and video suffer", "users that can not tell the difference", and the last one doesnt even really need to be said. as the people who avoid mini encodes do so solely due to the lowered quality.

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Though don't see what the problem is with "bitrate starved" as that's exactly how the file size is achieved.


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I think wirly gets the point... and if he doesn't, they are simply videos that use higher compression. Typically resulting in lower quality. Also, The Matroska container has the smallest size amount of extra 'junk data.' Because the headers (index etc.) are compressed. So just switching from an .avi to .mkv can save a couple megabytes. :shuriken:

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if done right one can make an original source encode a mini encode ... but for me the loss of detail to encode at a high crf on DVD and really high crf for BD will produce a low file size, I have accidentally crapped out minimkv size BD but I was not happy with how the video came out because of certain detail loss I trashed it and re did the encode at a much lower crf and produced an oversized video ... trashed that one ... and then finally got it right ... there birthed my ... wait I still need to release that ... thanks you all for reminding me to release my latest version of Burst Angel 10bit

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if done right one can make an original source encode a mini encode ... but for me the loss of detail to encode at a high crf on DVD and really high crf for BD will produce a low file size, I have accidentally crapped out minimkv size BD but I was not happy with how the video came out because of certain detail loss I trashed it and re did the encode at a much lower crf and produced an oversized video ... trashed that one ... and then finally got it right ... there birthed my ... wait I still need to release that ... thanks you all for reminding me to release my latest version of Burst Angel 10bit

hahaha, now that's one of releasing new stuff!

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There was time when i used to watch anime in MiniMKV,

Now only HDTV's or BD's,

Like one of the first longest series I've ever watched in miniMKV was naruto each episode 60MB.

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no one ever said you could also use MiniMKV's to watch on your Iphone, Ipods, Ipads/tablets and cellphones. well in my Ipod Touch 4g 64gb i have a app called "ProPlayer" that supports all major video (including mkv) and audio file formats and supports integrated and external subtitles in smi, srt, ssa, ir txt format.

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damn that is something I might have to look into for my ipad

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no one ever said you could also use MiniMKV's to watch on your Iphone, Ipods, Ipads/tablets and cellphones. well in my Ipod Touch 4g 64gb i have a app called "ProPlayer" that supports all major video (including mkv) and audio file formats and supports integrated and external subtitles in smi, srt, ssa, ir txt format.


If the subs remain styled (which im like 99% sure they dont) then i might buy an ipad and try this...do they keep the fansubber's style's?

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no one ever said you could also use MiniMKV's to watch on your Iphone, Ipods, Ipads/tablets and cellphones. well in my Ipod Touch 4g 64gb i have a app called "ProPlayer" that supports all major video (including mkv) and audio file formats and supports integrated and external subtitles in smi, srt, ssa, ir txt format.

android equivalent is mx player (free ofc). great app which supports every format you would want to play (including 10bit video).
just a little note: most android phones already have support for mkv. i know the original sgs had support for mkv out of the box, along with the sgs2 and sgs3 (yes, i'm a samsung fan).

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If the subs remain styled (which im like 99% sure they dont) then i might buy an ipad and try this...do they keep the fansubber's style's?

not shure my cable broke and only way of charging my ipod is on the built in stereo ipod player. i watched 200+ mb hanasuka iroha on my ipod reagular mkv and remember the subs being reagular black borders and white.

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no one ever said you could also use MiniMKV's to watch on your Iphone, Ipods, Ipads/tablets and cellphones. well in my Ipod Touch 4g 64gb i have a app called "ProPlayer" that supports all major video (including mkv) and audio file formats and supports integrated and external subtitles in smi, srt, ssa, ir txt format.


Interesting. The level of support probably depends on the level the H.264 video was encoded with, though.

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MiniMKV's are the way to go for myself, seriously a lot of minimkvs these days look fantastic, a little bit of lost quality doesn't worry me, the Res and depth of color are still great, i've watched series at 240p and it was still good, obvisoly if i get something at a higher Res i will but not when it comes to filesize due to my limited bandwith


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