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Copyright vs Subtitles?
#1
Posted 08 June 2012 - 04:15 PM

Should the the subtitler community for anime be concerned? I am not so sure as it has always been a grey area and they have been translating/scripting/formatting for many years now for thousands of series and films to localize the material in dozens of languages for people who don't understand the source language and so far, I haven't seen any massice take downs. But I do fear that possibility however. If that ever happens, well known encoders will be out too.
#2
Posted 08 June 2012 - 05:04 PM


Damn people and their anachronistic business models.
#3
Posted 08 June 2012 - 05:33 PM

Also the subtitles were associated to illegally downloadable copies, so it could also be aimed to decrease illegal downloads of the movies themselves.
Regardless of the reason, it looks silly to prevent subtitle distribution and not the movies.
As for anime, Funimation seems to be only company that has brought subtitled anime downloading to court, but it was about the whole package not just the subs.
#4
Posted 09 June 2012 - 01:09 AM

#5
Posted 09 June 2012 - 10:39 AM

#6
Posted 09 June 2012 - 12:00 PM

#7
Posted 10 June 2012 - 09:57 PM

FUNimation has even given out C&D orders to fansub groups that didn't release anything but .ass scripts (no video), simply because it was subtitles for a show they had the license to.
This is nothing new.
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#8
Posted 11 June 2012 - 02:44 AM

#9
Posted 06 July 2012 - 08:46 PM

#10
Posted 07 July 2012 - 03:00 AM

Or, we buy what we liked, only after first having had pirated.People who pirate were never going to buy it in the first place, so really there have not lost any sales (it just company BS).
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#11
Posted 07 July 2012 - 03:40 AM

#12
Posted 08 July 2012 - 07:28 AM

Or, we buy what we liked, only after first having had pirated.
Yer true but still it proves it company BS, lets say for easy numbers that 10 people pirate a anime and of the 10, 3 people buy the anime. The Company would say that there lost 10 sales but really there only lost 7 sales and gained 3 sales (I'm basically saying that companys make out that pirating is worse then it is beacuse its to there advantage)
#13
Posted 08 July 2012 - 07:38 AM

If you can read German, check this out. I use to have a copy of the acutally study but cannot find it.
Edit: Or use google translater and read this in English
#14
Posted 08 July 2012 - 07:50 AM

That is incorrect though. Out of the 7 people who pirated it and did no later buy it. Most of that 7 would not have bought it even if it could not be pirated. If I could not download load TBs of movies and TV shows, I just would never have them. They like assuming that just because someone pirated something, they would buy it if they could not get it for free.
If you can read German, check this out. I use to have a copy of the acutally study but cannot find it.
Edit: Or use google translater and read this in English
True I have already said that but not as good in my post before that one:
People who pirate were never going to buy it in the first place, so really there have not lost any sales (it just company BS).
I was just agreeing with kody what he said was also true. I dont read german but I will give the translated version a read when I have more time. Are you german zach?
#15
Posted 08 July 2012 - 08:39 AM

I am SWISS!!!german. Got dual citzenship and everything! Dad was born in Switzerland, mum went for citzenship after marriage. I had to confirm my Swiss National status at 18 or lose it, which I did... Not to sure if my sister did that though.... Sadly, my deutsch skills are of tourist survival level at best

#16
Posted 08 July 2012 - 12:15 PM

That is incorrect though. Out of the 7 people who pirated it and did no later buy it. Most of that 7 would not have bought it even if it could not be pirated. If I could not download load TBs of movies and TV shows, I just would never have them. They like assuming that just because someone pirated something, they would buy it if they could not get it for free.
There's also the word-of-mouth factor; even if someone doesn't purchase something and only pirates it, they'll advertise it if they like it. So the company is still making money indirectly.
#17
Posted 08 July 2012 - 12:48 PM

some examples at a more interpersonal level:
"You must download this series and check it out"
"Grab that off my HDD, I think you will like it"
#18
Posted 15 July 2012 - 06:25 PM

#19
Posted 15 July 2012 - 10:07 PM

Regardless you are breaking Japan's copyright, and it is still illegal. It just depends on if your country allows you to be tried on your own soil for something off shores or will let you be extradited to face charges in the country of origin.I have always wondered if an anime is not copyrighted in your country if it is pirating to download it as your not breaking the copyright for that anime as its not copyrighted in your country?
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